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Title: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: eliteG on April 25, 2006, 09:26:25 AM
Lets see what the futures say:

08:31 am : S&P futures vs fair value: +2.1. Nasdaq futures vs fair value: +6.0.  The market is sporting a bullish bias, underpinned by a batch of better than expected earnings news across a wide swath of industry groups.  Upside EPS surprises have been seen from the likes of AT&T (T), DuPont (DD), Chubb (CB), BJ Services (BJS), Whirlpool (WHR) and YUM! Brands (YUM) to name a few.

Big gap up.. lets see the stocks gapping:

Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: eliteG on April 25, 2006, 10:04:32 AM
getting ready to short RNOW.. entering if it can break 17.84.. so far not showing enough weakness
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: eliteG on April 25, 2006, 10:11:22 AM

RNOW triggered short.. set a comfortable stop no higher than 18.32(just above high of day)
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: bocasva on April 25, 2006, 10:24:49 AM
are we still shooting for the yesterdays HOD?
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: eliteG on April 25, 2006, 10:32:09 AM

Quote from: bocasva on April 25, 2006, 10:24:49 AM
are we still shooting for the yesterdays HOD?

hmm that would be an incredible move down.. for now I would like to see how we act around 17.

This is what I see:

Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: joet on April 25, 2006, 10:41:48 AM
Mornin G
Not in this one, but just an FYI i got out of my BLDP short this AM with only a .05 loss, i was sweatin' some  :) 
Do you ever hold shorts?  Yesterdys bobj seems to be on a down trend and spiked up on news this AM...  could be a good longer short??  Good luck on todays
cheers joe
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: Loffigus on April 25, 2006, 10:46:17 AM
Shorted this at 18.00, just before the spike to $18.15. 
What great timing I have.   ;)
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: Loffigus on April 25, 2006, 10:51:24 AM
And, there she goes....   :-X
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: eliteG on April 25, 2006, 10:51:59 AM
we got stopped out.. I'm trying again at these levels (18.40)
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: joet on April 25, 2006, 10:56:59 AM
I will be curious to see if this RNOW gap fills in the next 2 sessions??  Thoughts?
Cheers
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: joet on April 25, 2006, 11:01:15 AM
Buying seems to be drying up in the 18.30's wish that i did not have to go to work...  good luck stick it out i think that you will see 17.60 today, but not experienced enough to play with real money after my BLDP exp... good trading to all
Joe
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: Loffigus on April 25, 2006, 11:02:06 AM
I have horrible luck with day-trades.  I am always on the wrong side of them.  If I short, they spike up, if i am long, they spike down.  It virtually never fails.  Almost as though there is some kind of conspiracy against me.  Does anyone else seem to have super-natural bad luck with day-trades?
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: echo on April 25, 2006, 11:12:46 AM
I just shorted at 18.37, but its going higher  >:(
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: echo on April 25, 2006, 11:14:08 AM
And I just got stopped out at 18.52  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: eliteG on April 25, 2006, 11:15:32 AM

RNOW kicked my butt.. wonder how high this could go..
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: Pete on April 25, 2006, 11:19:23 AM
Quote from: eliteG on April 25, 2006, 11:15:32 AM

RNOW kicked my butt.. wonder how high this could go..

How does it look on your 5 min. chart?
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: wisebuys on April 25, 2006, 11:20:39 AM
I'm in the same boat with you Loffigus on day-trades.  Only trouble is I got in this short @ 17.84 and didn't stop out.  Wish me luck, looks like I'll need it.
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: Loffigus on April 25, 2006, 11:22:44 AM
Quote from: wisebuys on April 25, 2006, 11:20:39 AM
I'm in the same boat with you Loffigus on day-trades.  Only trouble is I got in this short @ 17.84 and didn't stop out.  Wish me luck, looks like I'll need it.

Oh no!  I would be sweatin' if I was you.  I stopped out at $18.40
The one good thing was that I only shorted 300 shares today, instead of the usual 500-1000.

So my loss was fairly small, still annoying though.  GOOD LUCK to you, I hope you get a good chance to exit today.
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: Pete on April 25, 2006, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: wisebuys on April 25, 2006, 11:20:39 AM
I'm in the same boat with you Loffigus on day-trades.  Only trouble is I got in this short @ 17.84 and didn't stop out.  Wish me luck, looks like I'll need it.

I was in your boat too. Just got out @ 18.25. Still took a hit on 1000 shares.
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: nullzero on April 25, 2006, 12:37:01 PM
Was just thinking if we could take all the gap ups and gap downs and compile some simple statistic chart for them would help alot on making profit.

EX. we take G's list over a period of 2-3 full weeks looking at the stocks individually and seeing if they continued to go up or fill the gap. Was the market up or down the day before? What day was it? Friday, Monday, etc.. How much percent did it gap? Did it go up or down the previous day? Did it gap on news or no news? Earnings news or not?

Im sure if something like this was made we could find a sweet spot to making profit on gap up and gap downs.
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: trajayb on April 25, 2006, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: Loffigus on April 25, 2006, 11:02:06 AM
I have horrible luck with day-trades.  I am always on the wrong side of them.  If I short, they spike up, if i am long, they spike down.  It virtually never fails.  Almost as though there is some kind of conspiracy against me.  Does anyone else seem to have super-natural bad luck with day-trades?

Me too. No luck on Shorts and always been a loser.

Any thoughts about going long and short at the same time? If it goes down keep the short and if it goes up keep the long.... I have not tried this yet.
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: Loffigus on April 25, 2006, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: trajayb on April 25, 2006, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: Loffigus on April 25, 2006, 11:02:06 AM
I have horrible luck with day-trades.  I am always on the wrong side of them.  If I short, they spike up, if i am long, they spike down.  It virtually never fails.  Almost as though there is some kind of conspiracy against me.  Does anyone else seem to have super-natural bad luck with day-trades?

Me too. No luck on Shorts and always been a loser.

Any thoughts about going long and short at the same time? If it goes down keep the short and if it goes up keep the long.... I have not tried this yet.

I have thought about this also -- it seems like a good way to limit your risk, and play the peaks and valleys.  For example;

Short 500 @ 19.00
Long 500 @ 19.00

Price spikes to $19.30 -- Sell the Long = +$150 gain
Price cools down to $19.10 - Cover the Short = -$50 loss

Net Profit = $100
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: plocp on April 25, 2006, 01:39:04 PM
never short stock at strength, short stock at their weakness, that's my hard earn painful experience.
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: wisebuys on April 25, 2006, 01:51:09 PM
Thanks for the well wishes all!

Well the plot thickens, shorted more @ 18.91.  Plan to cover all at close, hopefully not at mega loss.  I'm hoping traders will take their profit and run so as to lock in gains before close.
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: Loffigus on April 25, 2006, 02:14:31 PM
This stock may have more than one day of tall white candles before coming down.  If today's action ends at the HOD, we may see a spike even higher tomorrow.  I am definately going to watch this one for the next day or so to see if a breakdown occurs. 
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: wisebuys on April 25, 2006, 03:26:31 PM
Hey G,

What are your thoughts on shorts at the close?

Enormous volume in RNOW today 3,149400 VS 225678 average.  Large amount of shorts covering.  Maybe we should check short interest before entering gaps.  Just thinking, keeps me from crying.

Have a GRRRRREAT DAY !!!!
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: plocp on April 25, 2006, 04:03:26 PM
gap show strenght, it also text book support, a strong break out also a buy signal for many trader, i really find no reason to short on gap open to against the trend.

any opinion?
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: eliteG on April 25, 2006, 11:51:16 PM
Quote from: wisebuys on April 25, 2006, 03:26:31 PM
Hey G,

What are your thoughts on shorts at the close?

Enormous volume in RNOW today 3,149400 VS 225678 average.  Large amount of shorts covering.  Maybe we should check short interest before entering gaps.  Just thinking, keeps me from crying.

Have a GRRRRREAT DAY !!!!

I agree wise.. this short was doomed because of the large amounts of shorts before-hand.  A gap up and they were crying.. then we tried to help them and we were crying..  :'(

Quote from: plocp on April 25, 2006, 04:03:26 PM
gap show strenght, it also text book support, a strong break out also a buy signal for many trader, i really find no reason to short on gap open to against the trend.

any opinion?

Gaps can be looked at in many different ways plocp.  Here is an example of what we were trying to do:  http://www.3stocksonfire.org/trading/index.php?topic=5148.0
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: Adam on April 28, 2006, 12:51:20 PM
WHere is the G-Man??
Is everything alright???
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: eliteG on April 28, 2006, 01:31:05 PM
Quote from: Adam on April 28, 2006, 12:51:20 PM
WHere is the G-Man??
Is everything alright???

Yo Adam.. everything is cool.. I should have an update on G-Force over the weekend  8)
Title: Re: Gap Fade: Tuesday 04/25/2006
Post by: plocp on April 29, 2006, 11:00:12 PM
i got your point, nice day trade strategy.